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ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.
The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.
Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.
What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.
The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.
It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.
Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.
And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.
But one man's testimony could be key for the police.
"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.
Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
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Permalink Reply by University of Smitty on -
PREACH!!!! "You gone die tonight" is something Klan members say.. Unarmed black people say.....'I'mma kick yo muthaf**kin azz'
Eleven8 said:I have too much to say. All I can say to Zimmerman and his dad, no black teen at the age of 17 talks like that. NONE. Should've watched a little more BET before you started giving Trayvon dialogue in your made up stories..
and Joe Oliver, it's obvious you don't know Zimmerman. Probably only met him in passing and you're the only black person he could find to prove "hey, i like black people, my best friend is black!". I'm glad MSNBC ripped u a new one. I love how you contradicted yourself all up and through that interview and I hope you at least got your bills paid because it's about to be a huge struggle for you socially from here on out.
To Trayvon's parents, I can only imagine the amount of sadness, grief, disgust you are going through watching the country grasp at straws to find ways to cover up your son's vile murder. Keep your head up. Justice will be served, somehow.
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Permalink Reply by JustMe on -
Girl yes!!!!! Talking about I look a lot like my brother. Boy stop!!!! This is just extremely painful to watch... They've completely made this child into a menace...
OLD $PICE PINE NEEDLE said:Did y'all see GZ's brother on PiersMorgan trying to 'defend' his brother actions in the murder of this child?? Not once did I hear him say 'I wish my brother did not follow him'.
He says he knows his brother, but does he really know him??
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Permalink Reply by JustMe on
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Exactly!!!
University of Smitty said:PREACH!!!! "You gone die tonight" is something Klan members say.. Unarmed black people say.....'I'mma kick yo muthaf**kin azz'
Eleven8 said:I have too much to say. All I can say to Zimmerman and his dad, no black teen at the age of 17 talks like that. NONE. Should've watched a little more BET before you started giving Trayvon dialogue in your made up stories..
and Joe Oliver, it's obvious you don't know Zimmerman. Probably only met him in passing and you're the only black person he could find to prove "hey, i like black people, my best friend is black!". I'm glad MSNBC ripped u a new one. I love how you contradicted yourself all up and through that interview and I hope you at least got your bills paid because it's about to be a huge struggle for you socially from here on out.
To Trayvon's parents, I can only imagine the amount of sadness, grief, disgust you are going through watching the country grasp at straws to find ways to cover up your son's vile murder. Keep your head up. Justice will be served, somehow.
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Permalink Reply by Eleven8 on -
Love how he said his brother is such a squeaky clean person who wouldn't harm anybody.....yet has quite a few violent offenses under his belt. Don't use "squeaky clean record" when your brother keeps getting off for beating people up.
OLD $PICE PINE NEEDLE said:Did y'all see GZ's brother on PiersMorgan trying to 'defend' his brother actions in the murder of this child?? Not once did I hear him say 'I wish my brother did not follow him'.
He says he knows his brother, but does he really know him??
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Permalink Reply by Baller Alert on -
Brother: Medical records will prove George Zimmerman's story
Sanford, Florida (CNN) -- George Zimmerman's brother said medical records will prove that his brother was attacked and his nose was broken by Trayvon Martin before he fatally shot the teen.
Robert Zimmerman Jr. spoke to CNN's Piers Morgan Thursday night saying he wanted to correct some of the "mythology" and untruths that have been spread about the controversial shooting.
"We're confident the medical records are going to explain all of George's medical history," Zimmerman Jr. said. "His nose looks swollen in that video. I'm his brother."
George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, said he shot Martin in self defense after the teen attacked him last month. Martin, who was walking through the gated community back to the house of his father's fiancee, was wearing a hoodie in the rain and carrying Skittles candy and a can of iced tea he had purchased from a nearby convenience store.
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Breaking down the Trayvon police reportAuthorities have said Zimmerman has not been charged because there are no grounds to disprove his account that he acted in self defense. Critics say Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, racially profiled Martin, who was black.
The shooting of Martin, an unarmed 17-year old, has sparked an intense national debate about race, birthed protests and was addressed by President Barack Obama who called the incident a "tragedy."
Robert Zimmerman Jr. also called the shooting a tragedy but warned that some of the responses have not been healthy.
"This is a tragedy. Her son was lost," he said trying to send a message to Martin's mother. "I feel very badly about that and I want, in the end, not for her son's memory to be seen as how we degraded our system and turned it into mob rule and went into a hate speech. Ultimately, we all wish that this was a different situation."
George Zimmerman has told police he shot Martin in self defense on February 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Florida.
Zimmerman's father said on Wednesday that Martin threatened to kill Zimmerman, broke his nose and beat him so badly that Zimmerman was forced to shoot the teen. Robert Zimmerman Jr., on Thursday, told the same story.
"You return force with force when somebody assaults you. George was out of breath, he was barely conscious," the brother said. "There would have been George dead if he had not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment when he was being disarmed."
Martin's family and legal experts have questioned the Zimmerman's family version after the recent release of surveillance videos from the Sanford police headquarters the night of the incident.
It shows Zimmerman, his hands cuffed, exiting a patrol car and being led into the police station. First broadcast Wednesday by ABCNews.com, the video does not provide close-ups, but also does not show clear signs of injuries on Zimmerman.
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Does Zimmerman's dad's story add up?"We now have pictures of Mr. Zimmerman walking into the police station, and you see no injuries that would have come from abrasions on a sidewalk," said Lou Palumbo, a retired police officer who owns a private security firm.
"Anyone who's seen a broken nose is aware of the fact that the blood spurts. That leads to a lot of bleeding. You would have expected to see blood on the front of George Zimmerman's shirt collar. Blood -- you know, in many more places," said Marcia Clark, the former prosecutor in the O.J. Simpson trial.
Robert Zimmerman Jr. said his brother was treated at the scene before he was taken to police headquarters and it appears to him that the surveillance tape shows that his brother had injuries.
Sybrina Fulton, Martin's mother, has said the video is among other evidence that proves her son was killed unjustly.
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"I believe that this video is the icing on the cake," she said. "This is not the first part of the evidence that they have had. They have had the 911 tapes and they also have witnesses. This is in addition to what the Sanford Police Department has always had. There is no problem with this case and he needs to be arrested."
A witness of the incident also spoke to CNN Thursday.
"It would have to be starting with hearing voices, but not seeing, and then, after the voices, opening a window and then seeing -- with two men or two people on the ground, one on top of each other," the witness, who has asked not to be identified, even by gender, told CNN's Anderson Cooper about the incident.
The witness reported hearing through a closed window voices from an area where residents typically walk their dogs. "I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window because it had just started pouring out rain," the witness said. "And then I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, who's out there walking their dog in the rain?' "
In Depth: CNN peels back the layers
But the witness did not immediately look outside to see what the commotion was about, according to the account. "I went and did something else, and then I heard the loud voices again," said the witness, who reported opening the window. "It definitely was a very loud, predominant voice," the witness said. "I couldn't hear the words but it was like, OK, this is not a regular conversation. This is someone aggressively, you know, yelling at someone."
The witness recounted seeing two men on the grass, one on top of the other. "And at that point, not looking out the window, I heard the yell for help, one yell for help, and then I heard another ... excruciating type of yell. It didn't almost sound like 'help.' It just sounded so painful. But I wasn't watching out the window during that. And then the next time I looked out the window, there's the same thing: two men on the grass, one on top of each other. I couldn't see a lot of movement. It was very dark, but I felt like they were scuffling. And then I heard the gunshots, which, to me, were more like pops than they were like a bang."
The witness recalled hearing more than one shot. "It definitely was more than one pop noise, so I don't know if it was an echo or anything else. But it definitely made more than one pop."
The witness said the shots were audible as one man was on top of the other. But the witness recalled not having been able to see clearly which man was on top because it was dark.
Within a couple of seconds after the shots, one of the men "was walking toward where I was watching, and I could see him a little bit clearer. Could see that it was a Hispanic man. He didn't appear hurt or anything else."
But the man, who by now had left the grass and was walking on the sidewalk, did seem worried, "with his hand up to his forehead," the witness said. "Now, a couple of seconds later, in the dark, you see that person that's alive walk away; you know, obviously, OK, he must've got up and he walked away, where the other person is still laying there, face down."
The person who was walking away did not appear hurt, said the witness, who has told police of the incident. "You're thinking, wow, I'm looking at the person that just shot someone," the witness said.
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Permalink Reply by Ms. Ashley Banks on -
If GZ was hurt as badly as they say he was, he wouldn't have been able to walk as he did in the police video. And when I played volleyball I was hit in the nose with a ball and there was blood everywhere, it wasn't broken but it felt like it was. I had to have my nostrils packed and taped until I got to the hospital that night. Any nose injury throws your balance off because you don't want to lower your head. If GZ's nose was broken, he would have had something on his nose and his head would have been back. Noses don't heal that fast, buddy. Unless that tape is from days later, I cannot see a person having a broken nose walking around like that.
And if your nose is broken, don't they have to reset it asap? That piece of bone is thin, I'm thinking it'll heal up and you'll end up like Owen Wilson if you don't get it looked at.
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Permalink Reply by Baller Alert on
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He is a damn liar.. i had a nose injury too and it was a damn mess. I'm sick of these mofo's.
Ms. Ashley Banks said:If GZ was hurt as badly as they say he was, he wouldn't have been able to walk as he did in the police video. And when I played volleyball I was hit in the nose with a ball and there was blood everywhere, it wasn't broken but it felt like it was. I had to have my nostrils packed and taped until I got to the hospital that night. Any nose injury throws your balance off because you don't want to lower your head. If GZ's nose was broken, he would have had something on his nose and his head would have been back. Noses don't heal that fast, buddy. Unless that tape is from days later, I cannot see a person having a broken nose walking around like that.
And if your nose is broken, don't they have to reset it asap? That piece of bone is thin, I'm thinking it'll heal up and you'll end up like Owen Wilson if you don't get it looked at.
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Permalink Reply by Baller Alert on
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Watching this special on Centric and two eyewitnesses saying Zimmerman was holding him down while he was dead. One little boy walking his dog said that he heard Trayvon screaming for his life. And the story the police told the father was so bad. :(
This is so sad... I doubt if Zimmerman even gets arrested.
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Just in case you missed it:
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Voice heard screaming on 911 tape is not Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman, expert says.
An expert in forensic voice identification analyzing the 911 recordings in the Trayvon Martin case for the Orlando Sentinel tells the paper that it is likely not Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman, heard calling for help.
Tom Owen used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman, according to the paper. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, shot Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, during a confrontation Feb. 26.
On that night, a woman called 911 to report someone crying out for help in her gated Sanford, Fla., community. While several other neighbors also called authorities, the first call came early enough for dispatchers to hear panicked cries and the gunshot that killed Trayvon Martin.
According to the Sentinel, Owen, a court-qualified expert witness, is an authority on biometric voice analysis -- a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.
"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen said, according to the Sentinel.
Software called Easy Voice Biometrics was used to compare that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.
"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen said, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Full story here: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-mart...
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Permalink Reply by Baller Alert on
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We already knew this...
MissMidwest said:Voice heard screaming on 911 tape is not Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman, expert says.
An expert in forensic voice identification analyzing the 911 recordings in the Trayvon Martin case for the Orlando Sentinel tells the paper that it is likely not Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman, heard calling for help.
Tom Owen used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman, according to the paper. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, shot Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, during a confrontation Feb. 26.
On that night, a woman called 911 to report someone crying out for help in her gated Sanford, Fla., community. While several other neighbors also called authorities, the first call came early enough for dispatchers to hear panicked cries and the gunshot that killed Trayvon Martin.
According to the Sentinel, Owen, a court-qualified expert witness, is an authority on biometric voice analysis -- a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.
"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen said, according to the Sentinel.
Software called Easy Voice Biometrics was used to compare that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.
"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen said, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Full story here: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-mart...
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Permalink Reply by Sw33tNeSS on -
Did y'all see piers and tourè?!?!?!
Mannn this case is becoming a mess
Baller Alert said:We already knew this...
MissMidwest said:Voice heard screaming on 911 tape is not Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman, expert says.
An expert in forensic voice identification analyzing the 911 recordings in the Trayvon Martin case for the Orlando Sentinel tells the paper that it is likely not Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman, heard calling for help.
Tom Owen used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman, according to the paper. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, shot Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, during a confrontation Feb. 26.
On that night, a woman called 911 to report someone crying out for help in her gated Sanford, Fla., community. While several other neighbors also called authorities, the first call came early enough for dispatchers to hear panicked cries and the gunshot that killed Trayvon Martin.
According to the Sentinel, Owen, a court-qualified expert witness, is an authority on biometric voice analysis -- a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.
"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen said, according to the Sentinel.
Software called Easy Voice Biometrics was used to compare that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.
"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen said, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Full story here: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-mart...
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